"Adobe is clearly becoming frustrated with Apple's lack of movement on this issue, but it's unlikely that calling out Apple publicly on the iPhone Flash issue will result in a change of heart."

No, I just see people dropping the iPhone and picking up the Droid. That will change their hearts.

There is an excellent reason that Apple doesn't want Flash: Flash is a badly crafted, garish piece of junk. It is a resource hog. Apple would just as soon forget that Flash existed and have the Web move on to HTML5 and H.264.

I agree with Apple. I am tired of having my attention jerked away to view something worthless. That is why I have blocked Flash ads with ClicktoFlash.

"Jabberwolf said:

"There is an excellent reason that Apple doesn't want Flash: Flash is a badly crafted, garish piece of junk. It is a resource hog."

Um thats because the iphone can only do maybe 1 or 2 things at once.""

The iPhone can only one thing at a time well. It's just that what it did blew away the competition. Web access was truly awful on anything else.

"And Apple doesnt want to show its phone as the poor build that it truly is."

That is partly true. Every mobile phone of the time sucked; the mobile ISP's guaranteed that.

The iPhone just sucked less than the rest. But, the iPhone 3GS isn't too bad and the iPhone next year with the ARM Cortex A9 will be impressive. Right now, AT&T is holding back Apple, but Apple has no viable alternative. Verizon sucks for web service.

Everything else you said was meaningless. Flash won't provide value to other mobile phones. Flash is antiquated technology. Only people with attention deficit disorder could like it.

"Flash won't provide value to other mobile phones. Flash is antiquated technology"

Yeah go tell that to the 100+ million websites that use it..and not for advertising. And also tell that to the 3 million users\month who are searching for it.

Oh and to all those Flash developers making a great income doing something so simple.

Its no secret that web browsing can be enhanced on the iPhone not only with Flash but also with Java..as I recall the iPhone dont do that either.

And its clear that Apple sees it as a competitor to Quicktime....which Flash mops the floor with. They wont come out with anything fancy and new because no one will develop for it...so they have to chance it on making Quicktime better...and unfortunately it aint happening for them right now.

Henx said:

"Yeah go tell that to the 100+ million websites that use it..and not for advertising. And also tell that to the 3 million users\month who are searching for it.

Oh and to all those Flash developers making a great income doing something so simple."

Other popular technologies have died before. If Flash were good technology, Apple would embraces it, like it has with HTML5. It's just that Apple insists on something better than Flash.

"Its no secret that web browsing can be enhanced on the iPhone not only with Flash but also with Java..as I recall the iPhone dont do that either."

True. The iPhone has to pretend it is a mobile phone, not a hand held computer. The iPhone hardware needs to get better, before Apple can expand what it does.

The ARM Cortex A9 dual core processor chip is coming out next year. Perhaps, then Apple can spare the resources. Apple would be better off using its programmer's time to secure its foundations. Jail Breaking can't last forever.

"And its clear that Apple sees it as a competitor to Quicktime....which Flash mops the floor with. They wont come out with anything fancy and new because no one will develop for it...so they have to chance it on making Quicktime better...and unfortunately it aint happening for them right now."

This is all about the future, Henx. Flash is old technology.The heavy's in the industry, even Microsoft, are lining up with HTML5. HTML5 means Flash's demise; the two won't work together.

I have no personal stake in this matter. I was merely stating Apple's case.

""Other popular technologies have died before. If Flash were good technology, Apple would embraces it, like it has with HTML5. It's just that Apple insists on something better than Flash."

I don't think Apple waits around to see which technology survives. Maybe they don't want it for other reasons. Both Java and Flash aren't on the iPhone. Two [current] major web add-ons that are needed for just about every web site out there. They might as well kill the web browser in it."

I see no danger of that. This especially because Apple is pushing HTML5.

"Either Apple doesn't care or maybe they do and will add it eventually."

I see Apple going in a different direction from some other mobile phones. Fine, that is what competition is all about. We will have to see who wins the tussle.

"Just like a few years back when Apple dumped the Power CPUs in favor of Intels, Apple could do the same - leaving iPhone owners hanging [and knowing most of them,"

I really don't see any alternative for the ARM processors for the next few years. Of Course, Apple bought  PASemi and we still have no idea what Apple intends to do with it.

" they'll go out and by a new iPhone - more money in Jobs' coffers!]."

If the newer iPhones are clearly superior, then there will be plenty of buyers. There are a billion mobile phones in the world. There are only about 150 million Smart Phones and Apple has 30 million of those. Apple has no need to cannibalize its older iPhones.

Nor is this strictly about money. Steve Jobs got in the business, because every one of the Apple executives hated their mobile phone. This meant that there was a market which Apple could serve and had an interest in.

HTML5 is about open standards, Henx, not closed proprietary standards like Adobe's Flash. Flash won't be outlawed it will be superseded by something better. We have to let go of obsolete technologies to embrace new ones.

Even Javascript threatens to be better than Flash.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/eich-javascript-getting-faster-could-kill-flash-251?source=rss_infoworld_news

"HTML5 means Flash demise? They wont work together? I suggest you go back and actually study those technologies instead of just reading about them in magazines. MS is pushing HTML5? But that would mean the demise of Silverlight too right? And JavaFX...hmm interesting. So according to you..the W3C is about to destroy Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX."

Why do you insist on embracing obsolete, proprietary technologies? Why not let there be open competition? Why not let different tech groups thrash this out and let the consumer decide?